Tulsa Dog Training : Pretty Awesome
Hello welcome to the man’s best friend podcast today we’re going to be talking about some of the recent lessons that we’ve been doing. Host Ryan Wimpey I’m here with my beautiful beautiful co-host Rachel Wimpey. Hey guys. And we’re going to talk about some of the aggression that we’ve been seeing lately in dogs. So first off I had a had a $1 lesson with do Tulsa dog training here in the Tulsa Oklahoma area. We have multiple dog trainers that work lessons client’s aggression all types of different things. And one of the ones that we saw yesterday is a pit bull mix rescue and we love rescues and we love pit bulls. But this little rascal had some unique problems. The dog when I worked it we did the $1 introductory lesson when I worked the dog. The dog learned very quickly very rapidly but can’t touch the dog’s collar. Really. Kind of weird. So when you touch the call the dogs all the time until but when you touch the collar the dog literally goes a rabid dog. It was wild. I had to go to the car and get a bite sleeve. Even though the dog’s only nine months old it’s lives with kids. Super happy but for whatever reason when you touch the dog’s collar and he bites for real I took a really hard bite on my watch. Wow. Hey I bacci that watch. I know I love this watch. Just so you guys can’t see this but this is a bull of a watch. My wife bought me and it’s pretty awesome and I love it.
And fortunately I do have to block some bites with this watch. But yeah sad my watch becomes a block biter anyway. By plucker anyway. So we touch the dog’s collar. Dog gets crazy in there. They work that are in a harness which we don’t really like harnesses the car gives us a lot more control. But yeah it was wild so I had to get the bites leave and I snuck a few fingers out the bottom from the bite sleeve and I’m going to teach the dog how to handle pressure appropriately for whatever reason the dog freaks out. And so once I taught it to listen I talked to give and I started working with it then I would start to touch the caller and the dog was putting tons of pressure on the sleeve. Right. And anyways all this to say you were like I don’t know how the dog got this way. Well what happened is the dogs are young. The dogs a pup and some might touch the collar and the dog got frustrated right. Maybe nipped or something like that. And then the people left it alone. And then this happens repeatedly again and again and again and again and again and depending on how strong or dominant the dog is depends on how reinforced it gets and this pattern obviously very reinforced. That’s what these dogs only nine months old. And it’s you know biting people. Tulsa Dog Training So yeah. Without the sleeve maybe a little blood. Not very much. But you know it’s definitely hard. So how do you prevent that.
If we listen to our puppy podcast for puppy training for any Tulsa or broken arrow people what we need to do is we need to play with the puppies ears right. Toby’s teeth feet. Everything like that. If this dog had been put on a collar I know this is a rescue so I’m not sure how long they had it.
So we don’t really know the background of the dog. Right. Right. We don’t know the background that could have been pulled around by his caller. He could have. Yeah yeah. We have no idea where but either way he can’t be biting children just because they touch his collar.
No no. Tulsa Dog Training So I taught him how to handle pressure and we’re going to do a boot camp with this dog because you know if I’ve got to put a bite sleeve on the dog to work it that people don’t really want to work that through at home. Yeah I know it’s something we can work through so we’re going to be boot camp and the dog. We do a boot camp here in Tulsa. All right we take dogs from all over the place and basically they stay with us. They live with us for a few weeks and we work them so we going be able to work through all that aggression. But that could have been prevented if the first owner had started working with the dog and with the dog. All that could have been easily preventable. Basically that dog is learning how to turn off uncomfortable feelings and correct people is that right.
Yes that’s right. Can you elaborate on that for us.
Yes so dogs correct. Thank you. Dogs correct with their teeth. Right. So dogs either correct peers or people that they see underneath them. They never correct superiors. Right. Right. Right. So if we come in and we do some obedience training we are obedience trainers. Right. And we do some obedience training and I teach that dog how to listen to everyone in the whole family and that it has to listen and I’m able to transfer all that obedience. Then the dog knows exactly it’s spot in the family right. If I do that without any aggression or dominance or anything like that people not being tough guys then I can transfer even to the little kids because they had some little kids in the family. Oh yeah. So the dog’s not going to correct people that he’s about them. If the dog listens to someone 100 percent of the time it gets a command. They know where they stand in the pack order. We don’t have to be the dominant pack leader and all the Tulsa dog training shenanigans. If the dog listens.
The dog knows where it stands. Right.
So that was one we had we had another one very very very aggressive Rottweiler that one of our trainers worked had to work the sleeve right. We have another one we’re doing very aggressive border collie which is weird. Border Collies mostly aren’t aggressive. Yeah. Mostly Border Collies. The AKC says they’re the number one smartest dog. I did one private lesson with one the other day and $1 first lesson and the dog was so smart. It’s coming in like 10 minutes smart so smart and so aggressive and you’re like how did it happen. Well you know it’s a learned response. We’ve got two parts and aggression right. We have learned responses that we’ve got genetic responses. Genetic is momma. Dad liked to you know we’re very very dog aggressive are their bread out of aggressive dogs. And so they’re aggressive learned response is I’m uncomfortable new people in the house I’m uncomfortable someone touching my collar and so I do this response and it makes the bad thing go away.
Tulsa Dog Training So and then if not handled correctly they just get in a habit of correcting their owner or the children. Absolutely.
So that that pit bull is getting in that bad habit of correcting the people right. Oh don’t touch my collar. I will bite you.
Listen here. I will warn you and then I will bite you when really he loves them. He loves them. Oh he was cuddling with the people and stuff. And he’s a really smart dog he’s just realized this makes me uncomfortable. And I will stop them with my teeth with my teeth. Not appropriate. So this other dog this border collie I worked it with a bite sleeve for about 30 minutes. Then one of our trainers one of our obedience trainers here in Tulsa went out worked with that dog and he actually took the dog.
No muscle no muscle no muscle. I know he’s a brave soul.
He is we have some brave friends we have very good Tulsa dog training staff here in Tulsa. And he took the dog and basically the dogs used to just turn and people shut them down. Right. The dogs when I was there his dog showed massive aggression and. Able to. Take the dog. And. Just put the leash no muzzle no anything and actually works the dog through some of. His aggression. He was able to work him for an hour and just teach him how to appropriately handle pressure. That’s awesome. Yeah. Very awesome. So. He’s going to be doing the first few lessons. One of our structures is we do. Lessons with the people. We do the first few lessons that we train the clients we make sure we work through the dog first so. Obviously. He’s doing the first few lessons. He’s working the dogs through. Different issues and then he’s going to be working on transferring that to the owners. So you say how does a dog. Get so aggressive toward new people come in the house and it literally wants to bite him. Expression was not an aggressive breed like a Border Collie. Well the deal is. It’s. The same as that dog getting a white collar touched. People came in the House and for whatever reason this protocol got uncomfortable. Right. He got. He got a little malady. Now. He’s a few years old. But when he started. It tends to happen. The same with all the dogs. They.
Start growling or barking new people or there they’re uncomfortable. And then they either get put in another room. And so the threat goes away. Or the person leaves. And the threat goes away. Either way the dog. Has a learned response of. I’m aggressive. Tulsa Dog Training I show some sort of aggression on some sort of level. And then their threat goes away basically as a fight or flight response. Interesting. You know. So.
We get that fight or flight response and the dog and then slowly over time it tends to build. If it’s never properly dealt with. Correct. Right.
Tulsa Dog Training Yeah if it’s never properly dealt with it’s just going to it’s like a human’s bad habit. Right. Right. If you don’t step in and curb it it’s not that big of a deal. But it’s kind of a kind of go and it’s going to kind of go is going to kind of go you know just like my caffeine habit you know. And they didn’t curb it. Now it’s kind of out of control out of control you know huge coughing a Red Bull you’re just starting the day right. Yeah. It’s the same with dogs except the you know my caffeine habit that’s socially acceptable aggression is not right. Right. So you’ve got to fix that.
Tulsa Dog Training And the two biggest ways we’re going to fix that is with 100 percent come 100 percent quiet or off and then 100 percent place command which is going to be a dog time out. So and what we’re going to do with this border callers we’re teaching how to handle pressure. Right. Because like I said not normally those are not normally aggressive dogs. So first we need to teach a hundred percent come in I need a 100 percent quiet and then I need a doggie timeout so I can teach that dog how to handle pressure when new people walk in. I don’t want to just let the dog go into fight or flight. Right. I want to shut it down. I want to do it aggressively aggressively just through obedience training. And I want them to know like hey even if you’re scared even if you want by someone’s face off. If Mommy says Come you have to come with mommy says quiet. You have to quiet if your stink eye on the person and mommy says off. You have to look away. Write her off command just literally move away and then a minute goes straight into my place give me my doggy time out and I’m going to teach them how to just handle that pressure. Stay in a box stay on the time out. And even though they’re scared even though they will want to be aggressive right you still might be in the dog’s head. But what I want to do is kind of control it. I want to curb that behavior. Right.
So that’s a few of the aggressive dogs have been working recently. And thanks for tuning in. And we will go over a couple more dogs on our next episode. Bye guys. Thank you.
Tulsa Dog Training Hello and welcome to the man’s best friend podcast I am your host Ryan Wimpey and I’m here with my bride and beautiful co-host Rachel M-B. Hey guys. Hey and we are with tip top canine in Tulsa Oklahoma. We are Tulsa dog trainers we teach obedience off leash obedience manners and everything else. And today we’re going to separate some fact from fiction and we’re going to talk about a couple different issues. One of the things I want to talk about is all the dogs on meds meds we keep seeing all these crazy dogs on medications. What’s up with that. Well I think people think since they need meds and their kids need meds that their dogs their kids must need meds as well. So most dogs we see they actually don’t need meds. Some of them have issues and some have real issues but most of them don’t need meds. It’s just so. We literally I went out to a client’s house of the day and their dog is on trial. I don’t know. Yeah and I had to look it up. I’m sure you know you’re way smarter than me. I mean so I’m sure you know what it is but I had to look it up I didn’t know what it was. Right. And it’s a sedative anti-depressant.
Wow. It’s not crazy. Yeah.
So you need a prescription for that. It’s a this is the drug class. It’s serotonin antagonist and re-uptake inhibitor for a dog for a dog. So basically it’s like you know it’s an anti-depressant medication and a sedative medication all in one. So this lady said that she had really bad anxiety. And you know that’s the only way she can sleep otherwise she won’t sleep and her dog is on quadruple the dose shoes on. No. Yeah. For a dog for a dog. Is that not wild. And this dog probably doesn’t weigh as much as her. No no no no. Well you know the dogs like eighty five pounds. Wow. So psyched for her milligrams a day or something crazy like that. So they’re like because she has separation anxiety. Well most dogs and you answer the phone so I know you hear this a lot. Yes they do. But like oh my god I have separation anxiety. Pretty rare in my opinion is it real separation anxiety Tulsa Dog Training.
So what typically is it on the docs board board or the dogs like hey this is my friend.
And they go away and that makes me sad and bored. And you know yeah i have anxiety because I want to be with my friends. I want to be with my human. It’s not like separation anxiety like I’m literally insane now that there’s no one there I’m going crazy I need meds I need to be all over Google.
We see that separation anxiety is a thing.
Oh well yes it is yeah it is. Also on Google is every child needs Ritalin and that are all we know them can focus. Well may maybe because they’re little kids. Yeah. It doesn’t mean they need stuff. Yeah. Right. But still that’s what’s getting pumped in. You know the pharmaceutical companies I feel like they’re just going after another avenue in people lost. So yeah this dog might have been the only one that maybe maybe had real separation anxiety and needed it. I’ll go over kind of what happened. OK. He would first he was a rescue. Right.
So we have no idea what happened in his. We have no idea. They said that the owner left him in a cage like 23 hours a day which is really sad because he destroyed the whole house. If if they left but they never you know took the time to get the dog trained so that he wouldn’t destroy the whole house.
They didn’t work on any Tulsa dog training and they’re probably up wrangling knolling. OK anyway we’ll get back to you. Thank you. OK. So sorry guys seven iPhones on anyways so.
Yes so they said hey we’ve got this new dog. I left the dog in the bedroom. I went in the other room. And what happened.
The dog ripped the curtains off the wall. It took all the pillows off the bed. It moved to the bed and mattress. All in about two minutes and I was like a little severe. These are the people that are really severe. Well that dog is wild after like two minutes. Yeah. And so then they called the vet from the previous owner. The vet said Oh is he taking his meds he needs his meds. Michael OK. And so my guess is probably the dog has a lot more exercise. Yeah. Yeah a lot more exercise. He probably doesn’t need to. And the dogs like him there and the dogs like conked out. The dog super chill right. Why. Because he’s on four times a human dose to track it down. Wow. Yeah he probably. He’s a German Shepherd mix. He just needs exercise. Right. He just needs love. He needs structure. He needs training. Obviously he needs Tulsa dog training and he needs exercise. Right. And this is a nice Tulsa family. They just don’t know and that’s what the vet said. And we go OK. So one of the other ones I went out and saw and this is this is a little while too because Trazodone is Trazodone like for sleep it’s for anti-depressant. You know this other one is the dog was on amitriptyline. And what is that Ryan. Well I’m going to read it to you right now Amitriptyline is for nerve pain and it’s anti-depressant.
So the dog has nerve pain is for depressed mood and loss of interest in activities caused by like pain. And it’s anti-depressant. Wow. So the dog was wild and they put it on a antidepressant that’s also for nerve pain. What that just oh my gosh it doesn’t make any sense now. And this is where I do like what the dog whisperer talks about the Cesar Milan man what does he say. Well his biggest thing is most dogs need pack leadership and exercise. Tulsa Dog Training And so we don’t buy his training methods obviously it’s very theatrical good for television. But where he is right is most American dogs they either sit on the couch or sit in the cage all day long as. And they think they need meds. Well it’s the same thing. Your child sits in front of the TV eating mac and cheese and pop tarts all day long and then he acts crazy.
He doesn’t need meds. He needs to go outside he needs exercise.
He has to swing on the swing and make a mud pie and eat it right. Yeah yeah. That might pay him. Yeah I was when I saw that they put their dog on amitriptyline and I looked that up.
I’m like well what is going on. So we also have a boot camp right now right in the boot camp.
Is the dog freaks out smashed through multiple cages. Right it has like a steel fabricator right now. Wow. You know it’s kind of crazy and it’s a boxer and he’s a rescue.
We’re all for those kennels though because a lot of dogs are dog ninjas and they can escape from some of those kennels out there. Oh yeah I don’t have any problem with the steel kennel. There’s nothing wrong with that.
Tulsa Dog Training Nothing wrong with a steel kennel. I’ve had to say no. We had a dog before. It was a it was a police dog and it was a 110 pound that we were going to do a boot camp with. And we did have a steel kennel fab up for him. Wow. Yeah. And then we worked a Doberman and he could smash through any cage. Right. Not because he needed medication but because he was a very very high Dr. Dog and we had a steel cage fab for him out of a solid solid one piece steel that was bent. So he couldn’t smash through it and it was pretty wild. Anyway so back to this boxer this boxer is also on some drugs. He smashes through his cage. He was a rescue and it seems like we’ve had a lot of rescues with different issues. But really I think they need structure they need some training and they need a lot of exercise. You have these high energy dogs they need exercise they don’t necessarily need tons of medication but they need you know exercise. So he is on a medicine and it’s not an actual. It’s called composure. Ask what it is. What is composure. Oh well composure is is a calming support formula recommended for pets to help with environmental stressors and alleviate stress related behaviors without affecting their personality and it can be used everyday which means you can actually buy it every week and give it to your vet cons or give it to your dog constantly. Interesting. Yeah. So it’s natural herbal shenanigans right.
I feel like it’s kind of silly. Right. You know I don’t feel like I’m a little high strung person. Maybe it’s my caffeine intake but that doesn’t mean I need a calming not. Not been five red bull as you drink today. No no no. Actually I started mixing my red bulls with coffee. It’s a great I love it. And then at night no I’m just kidding. So yeah Tulsa Dog Training.
So these dogs just like me if I have a lot of energy I guess what I probably just need to exercise. I need to exercise. I need to exercise. I need to not sit around sit at a computer all day. I need to get out and do stuff. So the boxer smashing through kennels right. He’s a rescue. He’s he’s on a calming med everyday. Well every single dog that we talked on calling meds guess how much exercise they do on a daily basis how much you just guess how much guess five minutes we don’t always have time to walk them.
Tulsa Dog Training We don’t leave them in the backyard and I leave them in the backyard.
So yeah it sucks without time to walk the dog. These dogs need exercise people. If you’ve got a dog you need to make time to exercise that you need to make time to run it. Play ball with it. Go swimming go hiking. Do something besides letting the dog sit around in the house all day. The dogs probably don’t need the mats. This dog that smashed into the cages will I guarantee you if he actually got more exercise he probably wouldn’t have to be on his meds. He’ll be a calmer happier more balanced dog. Just as an exercise not because his brain chemicals are off. He’s just being a dog. The issue is basically an exercise issue could have some stuff from being a rescue but really he just needs more exercise. So thanks for joining us. We will talk some more next time. Thank you. Thank you.
Tulsa Dog Training Hello and welcome to the man’s best friend podcast. I’m your host Ryan Wimpey and I am here with my absolutely gorgeous bride and co-host Rachel empy. Hi guys. And today we’re talking about dogs on meds again.
Yes. Yeah last time we talked about it we don’t want anybody feeling like we’re bashing them for having their dogs on doggie Prozac or doggie Xanax. That’s not our motive our motive is not to just get every dog off of medication if dogs need help with medication. We definitely want them to get that help if they have to go. But we’ve had so many victorius incidences like just so many like testimonials where the dogs where we’ve had them for our doggy boot camp that’s where we have the dog and they live with us for a few weeks and we train them up and send them home where they’ve actually gotten off of the doggy Prozac and doggie Xanax whether it’s us changing their food and just giving them a little bit of structure in their lives or them just having let that energy loose through the training and through the working and through the exercise. They just go home so much happier and so much ready to be you know their owners best friend.
Yeah. And I probably came down a little too hard on it just because I don’t think every kid needs to be medicated just because they got a lot of energy. Right. Right. And I don’t think every dog does too. We’re all about the dog’s quality of life right. We want people to enjoy their pets more. Tulsa Dog Training That’s why we do dog training in Tulsa right. We do obedience training so dogs have a higher quality life. So back to the medications if that’s what your dog needs and that is going to help them. You know I know some people and that’s what they need and it helps them. So if it’s a complete imbalance and that’s going to make it if that’s what it takes to not have your dog get put down. Awesome.
Please please put them on some stuff. Right.
Tulsa Dog Training But the next thing I want to talk about after that big disclaimer is I want to talk about Xanax for years and you’re like Xanax for dogs. Nobody puts their dog on Xanax. Well we’ve seen it. Yes. And I thought I thought that if you googled Xanax for dogs it will actually pop up. Right. And the Xanax for dogs the actual ingredient is the copyrighted Xanax that they give to humans. Wow I thought it was something different. Like they are just calling it Xanax for dogs. I didn’t think they’re actually giving humans or dogs the same thing or giving humans but they are. So what it looks like it says it is a tranquilizer and sedative that can be used to treat anxious or panicked dogs. Right. It’s sometimes used in the treatment of aggression but is controversial because the drug can have an opposite effect and actually increase aggression in some cases the dogs. Wow.
This is from a veterinarian Web site.
Tulsa Dog Training Yeah that’s kind of scary. You can actually increase it. Why. Because you’re sedating an aggressive dog you’re not fixing the aggression. You’re just trying to sedate the dog. Right. So our worst case scenario as far as Xanax we were able to fix. I went out saw dogs multiple years ago and it was a German Shepherd and they actually had five wiener dogs and a German Shepherd. That’s awesome. I was I was one and the dog was very anxious. It wasn’t aggressive it was very anxious. And we’ve trained a lot of wiener dogs were trained a lot of dioxins and we we do a lot of German shepherd training. So yeah that’s probably one of our most popular dogs. They’re great dogs. We love German Shepherds. And when I when I went out there Tulsa clients for obedience training and I went out and this German Shepherd Perrow £75 ran to the top of the couch and was shaking. He was just literally shaking and shivering because a human had walked into his house. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Which sets. They said he had anxiety. Right. So I’m like OK OK well I guess we’ll see what we can do. And they started talking to me and he was on three Barss next day and I was like whoa. I was like that’s crazy. Certainly they’re not. They said he’s had two that day and he was literally still that anxious. So I wouldn’t say it actually fixed him but without he was literally a mess. But.
Tulsa Dog Training With dogs like that really how we were able to fix it to where he could come work out in public he could go to our group classes. We do group training here in Tulsa. Right. And our group classes are awesome for the lifetime of the dog. And so programs that we’re running right now. But this dog what we did are boot camp which we talked a little about last time. That’s what a lot of our hard cases. And we actually have people come from all over the place Tulsa Broken Arrow a Wasow. But even Mississippi Arkansas Arkansas Kansas all over the place. But anyway we did the boot camp with the dog right. We would work the dog in public three hours a day three hours. Oh my gosh. This is a dog with crazy amounts of anxiety and I would definitely say anxious dogs are always are harder dogs. But what we did is we would go out different trainers work this dog in public we taught him obedience training in private and then we would get him out in public and work him constantly and just teach him how to handle pressure.
Yeah build his confidence and let him know it’s going to be OK just because there’s people around yeah.
Tulsa Dog Training And he realizes he’s not dying he’s OK. And was it hard. Yes it was but then he’s able to work at group class with 10 to 15 other dogs around. That’s amazing. Yeah. And we took him off about a bar a week and we were able to wean him off of that until he was able to handle it. That’s awesome. Now my first is it really hard for that dog. Yeah. Yeah it was really hard for that dog. Was it hard for our dog trainers here in Tulsa. Yeah our Tulsa dog trainers had a you know a time to work with them. You know we have a we have a staff of highly qualified people. We use a top method that absolutely works 100 percent of the time but different dogs and you know they respond differently so it wasn’t very hard yes. Then we went back and we trained the owners you know and they didn’t want to be medicating their dog. Right. Right. But they felt they had to and in that situation like I understand I understand feeling need to medicate your dog when he can’t handle life at all. Right. Right. But that was he was more of like a Band-Aid. It wasn’t fixing the problem. Right. The dog couldn’t handle stress any better he just had less stress because his brain had all these extra chemicals. Yeah.
Right. And so I’m laughing right now on my own side because I’m thinking about that little toy poodle we did that would not stop licking and he just kept licking.
Oh my gosh you remember him. I do. You know it’s actually you know a little guy. He would just stick his tongue out over and over again in just lick the air. Yes. His owners were so concerned they were like what’s going on here like this you have a devil does he have a devil like crazy just licking the air all the time. And they put him on medication. They took him to the vet. The vet changed his food and all this stuff. I mean it is just hilarious they were extremely concerned and they did put him in a doggy boot camp with us here in Tulsa. But the licking wasn’t their concern. He had some aggression issues and he just was disobedient. He didn’t have a stink. Yes but we changed his food to a grain free food and got rid of all the licking Tulsa Dog Training.
It was food allergies the vet was even talking about putting them down because of his aggression his neurotic behavior. Right. And it was literally food allergies and we see this is like a grain allergies right. Or it’s like a chicken allergy or different things. Right. You have to watch the pet food manufacturers. And will probably do a few episodes soon on dog food dog treats and all that shenanigans.
But it was just food allergies and they’re medicating them. Right and this is probably what’s happening in America right some look at it as food allergies and he’s allergic to corn syrup and 08:30 Pop-Tarts a day and then he’s wild and his parents put on Adderall Tulsa Dog Training.
Right. Right. So all we’re saying is did that guy need medication. No no not really no. He needed a change in food. And then he absolutely knew some behavior modification and he needed obedience training. Right. Right. And so we we did obedience training. We boot camp the dog for multiple weeks. He was dog aggressive. Yes. And he was possessive. Right. If he wanted to come close to mom he would lash out at him. Yeah. Not because he needed medication. Right. Because he was Mom’s first dog and then he was jealous. Yes. Right. And so we’re using our place command. Right we’re using our 100 percent calm hundred percent quiet 100 percent off and we’re controlling the dog and we’re teaching them what’s right and wrong. Right. It’s just not a medication issue. And I understand that there’s some issues with dogs sometimes our beloved little animals may have inherited something or they may have an imbalance. But in this little poodles case you know he was a great little dog.
Tulsa Dog Training But you know when he would get aggressive with Mom they’re not aggressive with mom. You don’t come close to mom and you get aggressive. And so you know we had to teach him when mom says off boom you’re off of mom and you go to your little timeout spot and you’re just going to sit there and mom is going to love on dad mom is going to love on the other dogs. Everyone else can do whatever they want and I’m a control you little rascal.
Because at nine pounds you don’t get to dominate. Right. You know. And so they were literally they had a recommendation to put him down from one person. That’s crazy. Yeah.
Tulsa Dog Training So think about obedience training first. We’re not just saying that because we’re dog trainers we do train dogs but you know we want to have a higher quality life not to put down unnecessary medications. So thanks for tuning in. And we’ll see everybody on our next episode